The Will of God - God or Man?

Message: 70541
From: Ernest Moyer
Subject: The Will of God
Date: Mon, May 16, 2005, 12:32 PM
Topic: General
Reply to Message 70531
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------ On 5/16/05, Jeff Dickson wrote ------

Hi Ernest! You still want to see the 'end days' as something God will do to us instead of what we will do to ourselves which is what those passages from the Bible you breathed fire and brimstone into are saying.

I shall intersperse my comments

Jeff: can you conceive of the arrangement where God decides to let us judge ourselves? When the great holocaust breaks loose have you thought how men will feel? They will believe that God brings judgment. All over the world. Then how are we to decide if we bring judgment upon ourselves, or if God brings judgment up us?

170:4.4 This world has never seriously or sincerely or honestly tried out these dynamic ideas and divine ideals of Jesusí doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. But you should not become discouraged by the apparently slow progress of the kingdom idea on Urantia. Remember that the order of progressive evolution is subjected to sudden and unexpected periodical changes in both the material and the spiritual
The bestowal of Jesus as an incarnated Son was just such a strange and unexpected event in the spiritual life of the world. Neither make the fatal mistake, in looking for the age manifestation of the kingdom, of failing to effect its establishment within your own souls.

This is very broad. Could the assassination of MLK (Martin Luther King) or JFK (John Fitzgerald Kennedy) or the untold millions who were murdered by the Nazis qualify as, "sudden and unexpected periodical changes in both the material and the spiritual worlds? Or how about a tsunami that obliterated parts of SE Asia, kills hundreds of thousands, and left countless others decimated? Certainly these events cannot be on keel with the bestowal of Jesus, but what it takes to dissuade you only persuades you God is out to get us.

No, Jeff, God is not "out to get us." But he will permit men to bring judgment upon themselves. A world wide disaster, derived from a nuclear holocaust, makes all other human events pale into nothing.

Another perspective is to take the text literally. The line
says "periodical" and Jesus bestowal was not periodical (happening multiple times). And in fact the very next line that

cites His bestowal as an example of such of an unprecedented event takes care not to mention "periodical", but does insert a second instance of "unexpected" coincidently. Contrast this to the calamities I mentioned, they and others yet to come are periodical and unexpected.

Well, since I have done considerable work on the great cycles of the planet, I can speak somewhat to "periodical." You can view my work on the material earth ages at:

You can view by work on the spiritual divine dispensations of the earth at:

I have other material posted on these concepts. Refer to neighboring chapters. I also have the work in PDF files if you prefer that.

I think it's very fanciful God is going to swoop down here and take care of things that we are very well capable of achieving on our own.

That's the whole problem. I am sure you are acquainted with the world today. We are incapable of correcting the world on our own.

I shall quote:

"All knowledgeable persons today know that we are in a world crisis of unprecedented proportions, and that the crisis is intensifying with each passing day. This is attested on many fronts, from deterioration of family life, to degradation of our school systems, to rampant immorality, to weather and geological catastrophes, to species destruction, to worldwide strife and warfare, to increasing terror, and to the potential for total destruction of the human race through nuclear mechanisms. Never before, in all the history of mankind, has it been possible to destroy ourselves. We now can do so. We are on the very brink of a total world collapse."


And God truly is going to swoop down here. The Return of Jesus is due at any day or hour.

And, if we'd only listen to the wisdom of the Father - a whole lot
less painful! That's the message Ernest and how anything else can be read into it mystifies me.

Well, I hope I have not increased your mystification.