The Will of God - Sudden and Unexpected

Message: 70513
From: Ernest Moyer
Subject: The Will of God
Date: Sun, May 15, 2005, 12:40 PM
Topic: General
Reply to Message 70504
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I am moving this back over to General because I do not discuss politics except as enlightened by our Revelation, and because this should be part of the General discussion. I also do not debate. Period. If we can have a constructive exchange I gladly engage in such. Perhaps you could choose another Topic area that would be more appropriate.

We have a philosophical problem which is based on our expectation of the future. Many, including you, believe the Urantia Revelation and our efforts will transform the world, and we will gain the future by slow evolutionary adjustments.

That is not what our Revelation tells us. That is strictly an interpretation and a fond hope. Not more than that.

99:1.1 Mechanical inventions and the dissemination of knowledge are modifying civilization; certain economic adjustments and social changes are imperative if cultural disaster is to be avoided. This new and oncoming social order will not settle down complacently for a millennium. The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny.

If you think about it, the new and oncoming social order is at our doorstep, not 500 years away. The renovation of the earth will be so drastic and dramatic that it will take a thousand years to settle down. Now go back through history and tell me what economic adjustments and social changes took place anywhere in the past to cause such cataclysmic renovation of our social order. Indeed, we have been on an evolutionary path since many thousands of year ago, but now something different is about to take place.

170:4.4 This world has never seriously or sincerely or honestly tried out these dynamic ideas and divine ideals of Jesus’ doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. But you should not become discouraged by the apparently slow progress of the kingdom idea on Urantia. Remember that the order of progressive evolution is subjected to sudden and unexpected periodical changes in both the material and the spiritual worlds. The bestowal of Jesus as an incarnated Son was just such a strange and unexpected event in the spiritual life of the world. Neither make the fatal mistake, in looking for the age manifestation of the kingdom, of failing to effect its establishment within your own souls.


When you bring evolutionary change into it, as you are wont to do, you should always keep in mind that evolution is subjected to sudden and unexpected periodical changes in both the material and the spiritual worlds.


That is the change I look forward to, sudden and unexpected, in both the spiritual and material world.



------ On 5/15/05, Mrs. H Carmichael wrote ------

Hi Ernest and all interested:

I have changed the topic back over to "Politics and Debates" by using the drop-down menu provided because I see this as a debatable issue and this topic is suited for this type of discussion.

Page 2081 in the Urantia Book of the issue which I use begins Chapter 8. "Secular Totalitarianism" which is 8 of 10 chapters appearing in the 195th paper of the Urantia Papers entitled "After Pentecost" and which is the second to last paper of the tome.

Therefore, because The Urantia Papers were intentionally placed and written in a sequential order suited to the material minds of the creatures of time, one must perforce call upon one's knowledge of all the previous papers in The Urantia Book in order to properly understand the intent and import of the one sentence in question.

Let's see if we can weed through the content and context of the quote you desire to dicuss in order to determine just what its intention and real meaning is.

To begin with, a society based upon a secularistic totalitarianism is dangerous because it tends to imply that mankind does not need God. I think it is fair to say that one can easily find people in today's times who will argue either for or against this idea alone. (We can see it in the argument between Fundamentalists and Government struggling to "separate church and state" and also in many other cultures which have the same struggles with religion and government.) However secularism is not exactly the one and the same as secularistic totalitarianism. They are connected, but one is worse than another.

You ask if I think this cautionary statement applies to the immediate future. I think it applies to some of the past and on into immediately and in every moment of the progressive future from now to whenever - and it applies to any person, group of persons, society or nation who embraces secularistic totalitarianism consciously and even unsuspectingly (their offspring) until such time as the realization of occurs and people begin to change one by one. Depending upon how deeply one or one's society becomes identified with it, and how long, how far and wide it spreads determines the outcome - the results of such choosing has and will continue to play themselves out evolutionarily... naturally.

Therefore, the twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director decided to impart a cautionary statement regarding the certain consequences that a secularistic totaliarian philosophy did, does, and will have.

The whole chapter is dedicated to explaining the pros and cons too. It explains the origin and the outcome of the philosophy.

Somewhere in its origin secularism itself served as "scaffolding" for mankind when he revolted against the bonds of church control. It did serve a good purpose which we are also cautioned not to forget!

People who understand they need both the good part of secularism and the good part of true religion with God are not

in danger of living a life slavishly bonded to politics and economics. However, there are a lot of people who are and those who have realized the error have a struggle to overcome it.

P. 2081: ..."Nothing can take the place of God in human society. But mark you well! do not be quick to surrender the beneficent gains of the secular revolt from ecclesiastical totalitarianism."

If we read the entire chapter in the paper, we come to understand that since the writing of The Urantia Book sometime in the mid- 1930's to sometime in the 1950's two world wars occurred and were instigated by godless, secular thinking men.

Current wars tend to try and include the "God" they know (or profess to know) as did other wars in the history of our planet, and this problem will continue until the struggle for a right balance (harmonization) between society, philosophy, science, politics, economics, religion and culture is found.

That day will come when the peoples of Urantia agree on one world religion which does include God as the sovereign ruler of the Universe of Universes.

Ernest, I'm sorry I've spelled your name wrong, and I offer you a further apology if I am wrong about your teaching the fear of God - it did appear to be that to me. I stand corrected.

I do not feel bad about admitting my fears for our planet. I fear that the pendulum will swing too far backward if we and others who know God in our hearts do not continue to be busy about His work to help change things.

P. 2082: "Behind the gains of the twentieth century are not only science and secularism but also the unrecognized and unacknowledged spiritual workings of the life and teaching of Jesus of Nazareth."

This is why I do not see such a bleak future, but there is a potential for it, which I have great faith will not lead to such worsening of worldwide spiritual disaster due to the millions who are God-knowing and loving individuals who have been illuminated. While it only takes a small government or small group of evil or powerful people to wreak material woe and havoc upon the earth, spiritually, the potential outcome is better than before due to the higher and more potent value of those seeking the real religion and their influences on those around them. This is the benign, potent, effective and sure outcome of that thing which is the higher over that thing which is the lower.

You mention that you think The Urantia Book has another purpose which you are willing to discourse about.

I think it (TUB) has been doing its job, for every one that embraces it their potentials of changing the world are exponential every day...whereas evil choosings have an inherent and natural tendency to self destruct or implode - to eventually cease.

The Urantia Book could disappear completely, and I would still have faith in the living way - that work which the Universe has done and will continue to do to uplift the peoples of Urantia book or not.

As for your questions on disaster, I have no specific predictions - because it is very complex considering the individual and that part. Disasters, humanly caused, natural, celestial or otherwise, will always have logical explanations even if we can not know everything about them, the individual is the concern of the AoD and the Creators.

Individuals may suffer the consequences of an erring family member, but they are not punished by God for them. Every person is responsible for their own choices.

As groups this still applies if everyone chooses together in agreement to do something that is bad (an example is Jesus's crucifixion, or perhaps another example is Nazism).

So, in summary, I think some of humankind was and is already suffering some of the consequences of secularistic totalitarianism and some are not.

I see it as evolutionary and transitory.

I see "the cup as half-full" and I also see that even if "the cup was one-eighth full" that hope would not be unreasonable considering the exponentiality of spiritual good. :)



------ On 5/15/05, Ernest Moyer wrote ------


I do not teach fear. If you PERCEIVE fear that is because of YOUR orientation toward reality.

I gave you a considerable number of quotations from the Urantia Papers about God's justice and righteousness. You did not respond.

To put this back to the beginning, I will ask you for your take on this passage:

P.2081 - §5 But beware! this godless philosophy of human society will lead only to unrest, animosity, unhappiness, war, and world-wide disaster.

Is this a true prediction of our immediate future?

(I think I have disposed of the suggestion that it might be merely a warning, to straighten people out, so to speak. The odds against that are billions to one. I have trouble believing the whole world would pay attention to the relatively minor circulation of the Urantia Papers. Therefore it must have another purpose. I am willing to discourse on such a purpose.)

Is this disaster a local phenomenon, like between Pakistan and India, or is it truly world wide, affecting all countries and all people?

What is meant by disaster? Will it destroy our civilization? In what way do you think this disaster would be visited upon us? Is it of our own making?

After we dispose of this first thought, we can go on to the balance of the prediction.