The Will of God - Blindness

Message: 70534
From: Ernest Moyer
Sub
ject: The Will of God
Date: Mon, May 16, 2005, 6:02 AM
Topic: General
Reply to Message 70518
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Sandor:

The Urantia Papers, as we have them, were revealed in sets, or groups, in 1934 and 1935. All previous material was destroyed by Sadler. The original Revelation that came in 1934 and 1935 disappeared as miraculously as it had come. You should get yourself informed. I have a book, The Birth of a Divine Revelation, that presents all of this information, in considerable detail.

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You also said:

Ernest,

Dennis writes: As I understand it, you believe God will bring down
nuclear holocaust upon our heads as a meting out of justice because
we deserve such fiery trials as punishment for our transgressions.

You answer: No Dennis, that is not what I believe.

All that you have written thus far on this topic supports Dennis'
interpretation. There are others on UBRON that interpret your belief
in the same manner and so do I, your denial notwithstanding. On this
one, your cat is out of the bag and there is no way you can put it
back in.

Sandor
 

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Dennis said:

Hi Ernest,

You wrote:

"...justice, which he metes out as part of the judgment of a realm, or of his judgments which result in drastic actions..."

"Those fiery trials are the fiery trials of a nuclear holocaust soon to come down upon our heads. Then where will all the love be? Why does God bring such justice? Because we are deserving of the actions we bring upon ourselves."

"...we must also remember that we transgress against God. We will be punished for our transgressions."

So, in light of these quotes from you, point out where my assessment is wrong about what you believe.

Dennis

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To both of you:

Urantians are like Christians; they pick and choose those things that tickle their fancy and ignore God's great truths.

I previously mentioned to you that Melchizedek gave us great truths through biblical prophecy.

The Urantia Papers, Page 1025 -- This same Melchizedek continued to collaborate throughout the nineteen succeeding centuries with the many prophets and seers, thus endeavoring to keep alive the truths of Salem until the fullness of the time for Michael's appearance on earth.

I listed those prophets for you.

If you are uninformed about those great truths, God will take that into consideration when he weighs you in the balances. But if you have been informed and you continue to reject those great truths he will also take THAT into consideration when he weighs you in the balances. You cannot continue to ignore God's great truths without jeopardy.

It was stated quite beautifully:

Isa 29:9-14 -- Stupefy yourselves and be in a stupor, blind yourselves and be blind! Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not with strong drink! For Yahweh has poured out upon you a spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, the prophets, and covered your heads, the seers. And the vision of all this has become to you

like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, "Read this," he says, "I cannot, for it is sealed." And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, "Read this," he says, "I cannot read." And the Lord said: "Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men learned by rote; therefore, behold, I will again do marvelous things with this people, wonderful and marvelous; and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the discernment of their discerning men shall be hid."

That tells us something about the manner in which you reject God's great truths.

Now consider the following:

Isa 29:5- 6 -- And in an instant, suddenly, you will be visited by Yahweh of hosts with thunder and with earthquake and great noise, with whirlwind and tempest, and the flame of a devouring fire.

Do you have any doubt what that means?

Now I shall tell you something about punishment, as seen by God.

2:3.2 How futile to make puerile appeals to such a God to modify his changeless decrees so that we can avoid the just consequences of the operation of his wise natural laws and righteous spiritual mandates! “Be not deceived; God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap.” True, even in the justice of reaping the harvest of wrongdoing, this divine justice is always tempered with mercy. Infinite wisdom is the eternal arbiter which determines the proportions of justice and mercy which shall be meted out in any given circumstance. The greatest punishment (in reality an inevitable consequence) for wrongdoing and deliberate rebellion against the government of God is loss of existence as an individual subject of that government. The final result of wholehearted sin is annihilation. In the last analysis, such sin- identified individuals have destroyed themselves by becoming wholly unreal through their embrace of iniquity. The factual disappearance of such a creature is, however, always delayed until the ordained order of justice current in that universe has been fully complied with.

133:1.2 “Ganid, it is true, you do not understand. Mercy ministry is always the work of the individual, but justice punishment is the function of the social, governmental, or universe administrative groups. As an individual I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad, and in all consistency I may employ sufficient force to restrain the aggressor. And that is just what I did. I achieved the deliverance of the assaulted lad; that was the end of mercy ministry. Then I forcibly detained the aggressor a sufficient length of time to enable the weaker party to the dispute to make his escape, after which I withdrew from the affair. I did not proceed to sit in judgment on the aggressor, thus to pass upon his motive—to adjudicate all that entered into his attack upon his fellow—and then undertake to execute the punishment which my mind might dictate as just recompense for his wrongdoing. Ganid, mercy may be lavish, but justice is precise. Cannot you discern that no two persons are likely to agree as to the punishment which would satisfy the demands of justice? One would impose forty lashes, another twenty, while still another would advise solitary confinement as a just punishment. Can you not see that on this world such responsibilities had better rest upon the group or be administered by chosen representatives of the group? In the universe, judgment is vested in those who fully know the antecedents of all wrongdoing as well as its motivation. In civilized society and in an organized universe the administration of justice presupposes the passing of just sentence consequent upon fair judgment, and such prerogatives are vested in the juridical groups of the worlds and in the all-knowing administrators of the higher universes of all creation.”

142:2.4 Then Jesus went on to say: “When your children are very young and immature, and when you must chastise them, they may reflect that their father is angry and filled with resentful wrath. Their immaturity cannot penetrate beyond the punishment to discern the father’s farseeing and corrective affection. But when these same children become grown-up men and women, would it not be folly for them to cling to these earlier and misconceived notions regarding their father? As men and women they should now discern their father’s love in all these early disciplines. And should not mankind, as the centuries pass, come the better to understand the true nature and loving character of the Father in heaven? What profit have you from successive generations of spiritual illumination if you persist in viewing God as Moses and the prophets saw him? I say to you, Jacob, under the bright light of this hour you should see the Father as none of those who have gone before ever beheld him. And thus seeing him, you should rejoice to enter the kingdom wherein such a merciful Father rules, and you should seek to have his will of love dominate your life henceforth.”

That is where you gentlemen are today. You are like children, immature. When God must chastise you feel that God is angry and filled with resentful wrath. You cannot penetrate beyond a great planetary judgment to discern the Father's farseeing and corrective action.

Ernest