What of Revelations?
Message: 72360
From: Ernest Moyer
Subject: What of Revelations
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2005, 12:59 PM
Topic: Study
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To Bill Whitehead, Justin Reed, Edgar Paternina, Jonathan Zoba, Boris Goldshmit, Josh Snider, Doug Huntzinger, Gaston Belanger, and many others.

I shall ask a bunch of questions.

How do you know this is a divine revelation? It could be just some fabrication by William Sadler. Matthew Block thinks so. We have no way to "prove" its multitudes of assertions.

Do you know what it does? It appeals to us on levels that are beyond reach of our conscious minds. We KNOW that it is not a human fabrication.

But maybe some superior and invisible power is just playing games with us. Well, they do not appear to be malicious. Personally, I have never encountered such spiritual power or appeal than I found in this book - a benevolent and far seeing power that speaks to my heart.

I have reviewed this question time and again. Always with the same result. It MUST be what it claims to be. It cannot be anything else. I am ready before God to give myself to that belief - to the last physical drop of my being.

I know I have never encountered anything like it.

I shall illustrate how it helped me to understand more about our planet, and God's program for this world.

I said if Adam and Eve were real I should be able to find them in the planetary record. I did. I found substantial evidence in linguistics, myth, folktales, and folk traditions. The Urantia Papers were guiding me. They were providing keys by which I could make discoveries. And those keys were trust worthy. I began to perceive the reality of that pair BEYOND the limits of revelation.

I have had similar experiences in many areas. Bill Whitehead caught it when he recognized the value of the Bible, and could discriminate between the which was important and that which was trash. He followed the leads of the Urantia Papers and came out ahead in his knowledge and understanding. Again, it was supremely valuable in order for him to sort and censor the religion of our Judeo-Christian evolution. He could put away the imagination of the apostles and preserve the truth they gave.

How valuable can that be?

As part of my research I made these discoveries of people who say they visited with God.

Now I am up against the very same problem. Should I take the view that their stories are sheer fabrications out of twisted minds? Look at the respect Jesus gave to the Book of Enoch. If he gave it that respect, taking his title Son of Man from it, should I give it less respect? So I must deduce that the stories of space travel by Enoch have merit. And his visit with God probably is reliable. When I stack his report up against Betty Andreasson, and Isaiah, and Hatcinondon I cannot help but feel greatly enlightened. I am learning new things. But I am not now confined to images given me by the Urantia Papers. I have come to other images. The nature of the habitat of God takes on a form that expands upon that contained in Revelation In Isolation.

From this view the exercises that our Planetary Supervisors went through, with all those universe resources used to accomplish that end, now take on a meaning that I did not know before I did this study. They were willing to expand that much on informing me and all of us of other views of God and his habitat.

Something else is going on here. I am integrating revelation from multiple sources. I do not limit myself to Revelation in Isolation. This is the great error of a large majority of those who believe in the Urantia Papers. They see no need to go beyond that Book. They then exist in the wealth of the many wonderful things revealed, but ISOLATED FROM REALITY. Unfortunately they also exist in the poverty of those other materials that have been given to us, AND WHICH HELP US DEAL WITH REALITY.

So there is a purpose to other revelation. Without it I cannot come to a clear understanding of what God is doing. He went to the trouble of providing these other revelations for me, but if I reject them I will not come to a proper understanding of his Will nor of his Program of time.

I don't think we ever looked at it that way. How many have considered that celestial beings used universe resources to provide other revelation?

Now I must ask: What universe resources were used to help salvage this planet? Perhaps the resources of space travel, that used with individual prophets, and a multitude of other actions, were minor in the overall salvation of this world. It truly must be important to Jesus.

Our Planetary Supervisors were going through those exercises FOR US.

Does this show you how much they love us?

Does this help you understand why we would be given accounts of Visits With God? Does this help you understand the ways of God?

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Message: 72407
From: Ernest Moyer
Subject: What of Revelations
Date: Thu, Jun 30, 2005, 12:48 PM
Topic: Study
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Boris:

You said:

One thing that I learned is not to waste time and energy on things that I have no control over, that pretty much involves most of the immediate reality excluding my mind.

I stopped worrying. I know that no amount of research, preparation, worry, or anxiety could do away with what is bound to happen. I place my faith with the Father.

You can't salvage the planet... no human can.

Try to remember what Jesus has said about the true believer and the end of all things earthly.

You bet.

But the situation is this. If God wanted us to just sit around and ooh and aah at events he would not have given us a Revelation.

There would be no need for it.

The fact that he went to the trouble of offering it to us sends us up to a totally different level. Now we are more than oohers and aahers. Now we can become contributors. Yes, really, we can add something to what he is doing, by our own volition.

We would be lost as to what to do without the Revelation.

Can't you take your clues from the Revelation? How many passages must I quote?

We are not to be bums, sitting around sucking our thumbs.

Now if you mean social events I concur. We cannot do anything about that. Then what is our role to be? Are we to become TV evangelists? I don't think so. How about preachers in a pulpit? I don't think so. How about Rabbis? I don't think so.

If you are to become active, at some point you cannot now see, how would that be? Are you being held in reserve. Hmmm? The Cosmic Reserve Corps of Destiny?

Maybe your release will be like my release. When Jesus comes back.

Perhaps, just perhaps, you will make a contribution toward the salvation of the planet. Just maybe. By what you teach the rest of the world when they come looking. Give them instructions for saving themselves when the missiles fly. I would call that saving the world. Wouldn't you?

Of course, you would also teach them all the good stuff about God, and Time, and Destiny, and Spiritual Loyalty, and Eternal Salvation, and so on.

A great salvage operation.

Believe me, the future generations will be eternally grateful. Or at least through some ages, before the world becomes far advanced. Even then, we will be on record in the Hall of Archives.

Ernest

Message: 72371
From: Boris Goldshmit
Subject: What of Revelations
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2005, 7:28 PM
Topic: Study
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Dear Ernest,

You've written:

How do you know this is a divine revelation? It could be just some fabrication by William Sadler. Matthew Block thinks so. We have no way to "prove" its multitudes of assertions.

Boris:

I think that the question of the authenticity of the Urantia Book is settled by each and every individual that comes in contact with it. I do not really care what Matthew Block or anybody else for that matter thinks.

I've paid my dues in doubts, research, and speculation. I've settled the question for myself on intellectual, spiritual, and experiential levels.

The most telling and affirmative proof came through the metamorphosis that've taken place within my soul and in my mind.

One thing that I learned is not to waste time and energy on things that I have no control over, that pretty much involves most of the immediate reality excluding my mind.

I stopped worrying. I know that no amount of research, preparation, worry, or anxiety could do away with what is bound to happen. I place my faith with the Father.

You can't salvage the planet... no human can.

Try to remember what Jesus has said about the true believer and the end of all things earthly.