Teachings of Islam

Josh:

You said:

Message: 71990
From: Josh Snider
Subject: Why the Twin Towers Fell
Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2005, 3:00 PM
Topic: Politics and Debates
Reply to Message 71986

Oh, and by the way, "Islamic fundamentalist" is a very, very poor choice of term that the American media seems very fond of misusing. As someone who has actually read the Koran, I can attest that the fundamentals of Islam do not in any way support or justify the cowardly actions of a few animalistic Middle Eastern zealot extremists.

Peace Friend,

Josh

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Since you are familiar with the Koran, I am sure you know about the many statements rejecting Jews and Christians and about killing infidels.

Jewish and Christian Condemnation

Q2.120: And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.

Clearly the Muslims are here instructed to reject Jewish and Christian teachings. If Muslims are to follow after Jews and Christians Allah will reject them. This is clear cut opposition.

Q2.135: And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

Hanif refers to Muslim monotheism. Ibrahim was Abraham, who knew neither the faith of Moses or of Jesus.

Here Christians are lumped in with the pagan world. The idea of polytheists (Al-MushrikŻŻn) arises because Christians worship more than one God. They worship the Father, and Jesus, as the divine Son of God. Of course you know about the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Q5.14: And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

Q5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Without question, enmity between Islam and the Judeo-Christian world is to be expected. Muslims are warned not to make friends of them. Jews and Christians will be told of their enmity on the day of resurrection. In other words, they are eternally condemned.

Q3.118: O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.

The Koran is replete with such statements condemning Jews and Christians. Muslims are NOT to make friends with Infidels.

Orders to Kill Infidels

Q3.119: Lo! you are they who will love them while they do not love you, and you believe in the Book (in) the whole of it; and when they meet you they say: We believe, and when they are alone, they bite the ends of their fingers in rage against you. Say: Die in your rage; surely Allah knows what is in the breasts.

I find this remark curious, because it expects great hypocrisy among infidels, outsiders. Clearly they will die in their anger. Allah knows what is in their hearts. You can see how Muslim fundamentalists can be justified in bringing death to such Infidels.

Q9.14: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

Q2.190: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you . . .

Q2.191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

Q2.193: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Clearly, this enmity with infidels, and the instructions to kill them, are boldly written in the Koran.

The Koran is also highly political in its advice to the followers of Allah:

Q9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book (Bible), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Obviously, the Koran teaches that Islam will someday rule the world. At that time all infidels who do not convert will be in a state of subjection, i.e., slaughtered.

Q8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Can you see why Muslim fundamentalists feel justified in decapitating all who oppose them?

Q8.13: This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Apostle -- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).

Q8.14: This -- taste it, and (know) that for the unbelievers is the chastisement of fire.

Q8.15: O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them.

This is a specific command for warfare against the infidel. Muslims are not to flee in the face of such military action.

Q8.16: And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day -- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company -- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.

The intensity of Allah, and the Koran, in rejecting all unbelievers (infidels) is without precedent in religious history.

The Koran Treatment of Jesus

Q9.30: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. These are the words of their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before. May Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Is there any question of how the Koran teaches concerning Jesus? Christians just spout words from their mouths, without content. Allah will destroy all who believe such blasphemous teaching.

Q9.31: They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one God only. There is no God but He; far from His glory is what they set up.

Here the secular world, the religious world, and the followers of Jesus are all lumped into a command to worship Allah. Jesus is rejected as having any divine status.

Q4.157: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they surely killed him not, for sure.

The Koran rejects the historic record that Jesus was Crucified. Without question, there can be no compromise between Christianity and Islam because this is antithetical to the basic belief system -- of both religions.

Christian students of the Koran have noted this ambiguity in understanding the role of Jesus. I quote:

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One of the most puzzling contradictions inside the Qur'an is the subject of Jesus' death. The Qur'an writes of the day that Christ was to die, yet in the same book, teaches that He did not die on the cross. . . . A gap between Jesus' birth and the Ascension is evident. The Qur'an avoids the matter of Jesus, as a prophet, dying for man's sins, leaving it unresolved and with contradictory opinions.

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I disagree with this assessment. The Koran teaches contrary to the doctrines of Christianity. It rejects Jesus as a divine Son of God.

I hope this discussion will help clarify the teachings of the Koran. Much myth is circulated today about the Koran, because of political desire to incorporate the Islamic world into modern society. While secular Muslims find no difficulty with this notion, just as secular Christians and Jews are willing to compromise the foundations of their religions, that is NOT what the Koran teaches.

Fundamentalists on both sides will never come together. But fundamentalism is the only true view on either side. Secular interpretations of the Bible and the Koran deny the foundations of both religions.

Ernest