You Want A Sign? - Response
Message: 72980
From: Ernest Moyer
Subject: You Want a Sign? - Holly
Date: Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 4:00 AM
Topic: General
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I am sorry to hear that you are under the weather.

Have you ever read the Urantia Papers from front to back, from the Forward to page 2097?

Do you know what an inane question that is?

What has that got to do with anything?

I first obtained a copy the big blue book in September, 1967. How many years ago is that? Initially I was absolutely fascinated by two Papers, The Paradise Sons of God, and The Paradise Creator Sons. I cannot tell you how instrumental they were in bringing me back to God.

But the content of the Papers was so far beyond my Christian background I did not know how to deal with it. I attended a Summer Study Session at 533 Diversey Parkway in 1968. Christy conducted an evening question and answer session, with my questions pulled from that infamous glass fish bowl. William Sadler was in the last stages of his life, but was wheeled into the room by Martin Myers, to give us a "Hello?"

When I returned home I got deadly serious about the Revelation.

Have I read the Papers from front to back? Yes. One time. In the 1970's. After I had the context well under my belt. Just to see what it would be like.

Do you know what thematic study is? You pick a subject and follow that theme through your source document, the Bible, The Urantia Papers, or whatever.

I don't know anyone, scholar, or novice, or in between who does not do thematic study. It is the primary method for presenting arguments. It is done here on Ubron every day.

So why do you ask if I read the Urantia Papers from front to back? Would that prove how conversant I am in the Papers?

I will tell you why you asked that question. I don't believe you realize what you did.

You are taking the same position as Paul Wellen. I guess you were away on vacation when he did that. He asked me a bunch of personal questions to show that I did not know what I was talking about, and that I was ignorant, uneducated, and illogical.

I quickly pulled him down off that high horse, and watched as he slinked away. Should I do the same with you?

Repetitive is not your problem. Look at Phil Geiger. He repeats, day after day, month after month, the same old political stuff. Of course, he might be reporting news. Look at Jacques Lecouturier. He repeats the same old UFO stuff, day after day, month after month. No, Holly, repetition is not your problem.

Your problem is that I came into your nice peaches and cream discussion about Signs and gave you hard-core truth. I interrupted. That did things to your emotions.

And so you took the tack to show the list that I do not know what I am talking about. That is a nice easy way out of this problem of Ernest Moyer.

You cannot know the work I have done here on Ubron and believe that. Which means you are not familiar with my work. You are speaking out of ignorance.

But consider your position. You think you are superior. You think you have a better estimate of the world condition than I. You think I am just ranting and raving.

Holly, Holly, Holly!

Any day now Jesus will return. Then all hell will break loose. Then where will you be?



Message: 72959
From: Mrs. H Carmichael
Subject: You Want a Sign?
Date: Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 8:53 AM
Topic: General
Reply to Message 72940


Of course signs have been everywhere... plain as the nose on our face.

Fear not, have faith.

Preparedness of the readership ... well, Ernest, I think you've been repetetive enough about it on the Forum. I also think most folks aren't interested in answering your repetitive question because they know a loaded question when they see one, and so do I.

I have a question, and of course you do not have to answer it.

Have you read a Urantia Book sequentially, in order, as intended and presented, from the first page of the Foreword to the last page, 2,097?

This is my fourth post in a 24 hr. period and I have a lot to do off the computer for the next month... so, I'll be in and out when and as I can.

Additionally, I have been under the weather for several weeks now and sitting here can get very uncomfortable.

Peace and love in faith - with "God's armor" donned,