Reflections on Jude

To Colter Knight

Message: 72459
From: Ernest Moyer
Subject: Quote From Jude
Date: Sat, Jul 2, 2005, 12:13 PM
Topic: Study
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To Colter Knight

Thank you. I appreciate your kindness.

The translation of the Jude text is somewhat difficult.  Here I have rearranged the words; perhaps this will help clarify.

Jude 10-11:
But these men revile whatever they do not understand, and they are destroyed by those things they know through instinct, as irrational animals. Woe to them!

Sometimes the mind elaborates on the content of Revelation, dissatisfied with the information as it stands. Edgar Paternina has proposed that the process of being enseraphimed turns the combustion body into some other, to me very mysterious, form. But we know that it awakens again to the way it was on the first world. Meanwhile the Thought Adjuster is making profound changes in the understanding of the mind during transport. A "transit slumber" doesn't sound to me like bodily destruction. The statements are quiet clear.

I thought about all those people who will be taken away, and what a shock it would be for them. Yet when they awaken they will be much more receptive to their new experience. That is because of the work of the TA during transport.

We have people all over the spectrum, trying to despoil Revelation. The clarification I have repeatedly given it greatly disturbs their instinctive views.

Jude brought to our attention a highly critical factor. While his words may seem mundane to most modern minds, they carry eternal import. He did not mean these people working from instinct would be destroyed in the material sense; he meant they would be destroyed in the eternal sense. They will not survive.

The numbers of the population who are in that category are numbing. So, so many will be lost. If we cannot understand God and his ways on this world, why would we fare better on a future world? Will there be a magical transformation that then will give us a mind equal to that heavenly task? I don't think so. I believe our shortcomings on this world will follow us to the next, and that the next world does not have room for animal instincts. Instincts are exactly that, what we work by when the reflective mind is absent. But it is the reflective mind that goes on to heaven, not the instinctive, animal, mind.

We are told that many will not survive.

P.192 - §5 These scientific, moral, and spiritual insights, these cosmic responses, are innate in the cosmic mind, which endows all will creatures. The experience of living never fails to develop these three cosmic intuitions; they are constitutive in the self-consciousness of reflective thinking. But it is sad to record that so few persons on Urantia take delight in cultivating these qualities of courageous and independent cosmic thinking.

P.192 - §6 In the local universe mind bestowals, these three insights of the cosmic mind constitute the a priori assumptions which make it possible for man to function as a rational and self-conscious personality in the realms of science, philosophy, and religion. Stated otherwise, the recognition of the reality of these three manifestations of the Infinite is by a cosmic technique of self-revelation. Matter-energy is recognized by the mathematical logic of the senses; mind-reason intuitively knows its moral duty; spirit-faith (worship) is the religion of the reality of spiritual experience. These three basic factors in reflective thinking may be unified and co-ordinated in personality development, or they may become disproportionate and virtually unrelated in their respective functions. But when they become unified, they produce a strong character consisting in the correlation of a factual science, a moral philosophy, and a genuine religious experience. And it is these three cosmic intuitions that give objective validity, reality, to man's experience in and with things, meanings, and values.

When I read these words in such a context, the context voiced by Jude, I grasp the deeper meaning of reflective thinking. That is what will survive in heaven -- not animal instincts. It is sad to record that so few persons on Urantia take delight in cultivating these qualities of courageous and independent cosmic thinking.


Message: 72432
From: Colter Knight
Subject: The Sea of Glass
Date: Fri, Jul 1, 2005, 7:28 AM
Topic: Study
Reply to Message 72429

Hi Ernest, I've read a number of your works on line and am very interested in them. Pay no head to the natering neigh-bobs of negativity. The UB is full of prophecy and speculation about the coming ages. I'm especially interested in Bible links such as you have provided in your post here concerning John, Enoch and the sea of glass. These things can be particularly helpful in cross over discussions with bible believers. I noticed something this morning while posting at, it's from Jude;

Jude 8 In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings.

9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.

Keep up the good work.