A Note to Paul Wellen

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OK, Paul. Since you have now identified yourself as Paul W., and not ķauL W, I make the following ASSUMPTIONS.

From your bio on line, your wife Charlotte Wellen is associated with the Boulder Group operating under Mo Siegel.

(Note made November 30, 2005: This assessment on my part was incorrect. It was based on a reference to Charlotte on the Boulder Group web site.)

Therefore your last name must be Wellen.

I have Googled the Internet and cannot find Paul and Charlotte Wellen, except for the following:

Wellen, Paul & Charlotte
304 Westfield Rd
Charlottesville, VA 22901-1660
(434) 974-1437

I cannot find you otherwise.

Since 1997 I have operated web sites. I now have two, getting about 250 visitors per day. On the front page of both sites I give my email address. In all those years I do not believe I have had more than a half-dozen inquiries, except for the past six months. Initially, when I listed my email address in ordinary text, I had a ton of spam emails. Some time ago I went to a graphic form on my name. That cut down tremendously on spam. However, my Server, who now filters spam, reports to me perhaps a dozen spam a week.

Your concern over people spamming your email address probably has little basis in reality.

You say that you were married at the Edgar Cayce Library in Virginia Beach, VA. I visited there in 1968 when I was getting acquainted with Divine Revelations and Devil Revelations.

Now onto your inquiries:

I would ask Ernest Moyers whether he would be willing to enter into that kind of discussion?

I am interested in any discussion that will lead to our understanding of God's truth. I am not interested in academia, nor in ecumenism.

I invite you, Ernest, to come to understand your Muslim brothers, to come to love them, as children of the Supreme God, that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship.

Since we are engaged in a severe contest over God's Revelation, and God's Destiny for this planet, my feelings of brotherhood are based on individuals, not groups. Should I love a Muslim man who blows himself up in order to kill other Muslims?

Where you are getting your information about Islam, AS IT IS PRACTICED TODAY?

Your notion of how Islam is practiced today is based on modern interpretations of the Koran. These are interpretations that reject the literalness of the Koran. But this does not include the many hundreds of millions of believers who accept the Koran as fundamentalists Christians accept the Bible - as the literal and infallible word of God.

How many Muslims have you spoken to? How many Muslims would you call friends or acquaintances?

I have no Muslim friends. Do I carry on an exchange with Muslims in order for both of us to come to a common ecumenical understanding? No.

What has that got to do with my understanding of Islam?

Have you attended a Mosque and if so, where and how often?

I have never attended a Mosque. How many Muslims have attended a Christian church? Better yet, how many Muslims have attended a synagogue?

What has that to do with my understanding of Islam?

I do not attend Christian churches, Jewish Synagogues, nor Muslim Mosques.

Is that a criterion for my relationship with God?

If so, would you please explain it to me.

How many Middle Eastern countries have you lived in, and for how long?

I have never been outside the continental United States except for a few brief vacation visits to Canada, and one to St. Thomas. Don't you think that strange?

What has that got to do with my understanding of Islam?

Recall that Jesus knowledge about the world's religions came from extensive travel, and through contact with religious believers. Have you attempted to emulate the call to "Know the thoughts of other races, to know the feelings of other nations," by coming into direct contact with Arabs, Turks, Indonesians, South Asians, Persians, and other Muslim peoples?

Is extensive travel and contact with other religious believers, of assorted countries, such as Arabs, Turks, Indonesians, South Asians, Persians, and other Muslim peoples a requirement for me to come to an understanding of their views? If so, how do you reckon it? I can travel to countries today, and associate with people, in a manner not available to our fathers. It is called the Internet. On the other side, I make numerous requests at my local library for book loans. Don't you think you are a little mixed up?

Some of your statements are in plain contradiction to the facts on the ground, and I tell you this from personal experience and study.

Your experience and your study are unique to you. My experience and my study are unique to me. Would you then deny the validity of either, based on the criteria of your world travels? What you see as contradiction is not perceived by myself, not because of bald and ignorant rejection, but through considered reflection.

I wonder if you could review my previous post, and consider some of the points made.

1. You ask people to focus on a small set of quotations from the Koran, which are not commonly quoted or referred to by modern Islamic commentators, modern Islamic scholars, and most importantly, by the average believer.

You are raising the notion that I used "a small set of quotations from the Koran." I shall ask you the same thing I asked Josh. Since many different translation of the Koran are available directly on the Internet, please show the context of my quotes. Would you like me to offer another, different "small set?" How much would it take to show you the religiously fundamentalist nature of the Koran. I must wonder if you ever read the Koran. If you did you had a filter which saw what you wanted to see.

2. Most Muslims believe in the Five Pillars. They do not believe in the persecution of non-believers, which is an idea not contained in the five pillars.

But now you are resorting to modern, liberal interpretations of the Koran. That is, we reject its literal statements, and go to something different from what it teaches. Under this condition we no longer believe in the Koran, but in a substitute devised by modern minds. That form of Islam is like the modern form of Christianity. The Apostle Paul knew about such apostasy when he said:

2 Tim 3:5 -- holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people.

I am doing my best to avoid such people. They do not believe in the power of God, nor in his righteous judgments. Do you believe in the literal power of God, and in his righteous judgments? Should I avoid you?

You said,

" The Muslim world today, by a vast majority, believes in the Koran as I have depicted it. They are truly fundamentalist."

Pardon me for saying so, but this statement is patently false. If you think it is true, then please provide evidence.

Would you do us both a favor? Would you get statistics that show the number of what I classify as "fundamentalist Muslims" and how that percentage compares with the total body of Muslims?

You can assert that I do not know what I am talking about, but I wish you would show us how the hard facts fall. Since you are the one who brought the challenge you should provide the evidence.

Furthermore, most modern Muslims no longer rely on literal interpretations of the Koran, any more than most modern Christians rely on literal interpretations of the Book of Joshua, and Book of Samuel, in which God commanded the deaths of the unbelievers.

Well, isn't that exactly my view. Except you chose to limit your citations to Joshua and Samuel, instead of the prophets and the New Testament writers. Why did you do that? I know your motives.

THE KORAN WAS WRITTEN OVER ONE THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

Most Islamic religious believers have updated the faith, applied it current circumstances.

Exactly.

2 Tim 3:5 -- holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people.

I must ask these questions, and I do request answers.

Do you speak or read a Middle Eastern language?

I speak only one language, English. I am acquainted somewhat in book knowledge of Hebrew and Greek.

So what has that got to do with my understanding of Islam?

Are you trying to show how ignorant I am?

What scholarly books about Islam have you read?

Well, I have scattered about, in order to come to an appraisal of where liberal godless Islam stands with respect to fundamentalist literal Islam.

Can you read French? (Most high quality modern Western scholarship on Islam, for Western Readers has been written in French, simply because of the presence of large numbers of Arabs in France).

See above.

Ernest, I strongly urge you to put your cards on the table, and to tell me what qualifications you have which make you believe you can make blanket statements about Islam, which are just plainly false?

Since you are trying to establish what an ignorant fellow I am, I will do to you what I did with Jacques. I have quoted from the Koran, directly, not through scholars who are reinterpreting the Koran to suit their notions of liberalism and godlessness. Why don't you go and check my context?

Gee, what a brotherly attitude!

By the way, I did not make a career out of Islam. I have many irons in the fire. I got acquainted with the Koran, and Islamic thought, liberal and fundamentalist, in order to come to an assessment. I then went on to other things.

Now you say I am falsely reporting. Go look for yourself, and stop depending on these liberal scholars who want to water down religious teaching in order to make everyone comfy and cozy.

2 Tim 3:5 -- holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people.

Paul, your entire post was intended to show what an ignorant and uneducated fellow I am. You wanted to display your superiority. Do you perceive your motives? Is that what Jesus taught? Are we not all the children of God? Are we not all brothers and sisters, equal before God? Then why do you take on such a haughty attitude?

Should I avoid you?

Ernest