Judgment and Salvation

Message: 70786
From: Ernest Moyer
Subject: Judgment and Salvation
Date: Sat, May 21, 2005, 12:24 PM
Topic: Study
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Your views of God's justice, and his judgments, vary much from the teachings of the Urantia Papers.

In the following I quote the words about Avonals, but we should remember that an incarnated Creator Son performs identical functions, page 226.

20:3.1 The Avonals are known as Magisterial Sons because they are the high magistrates of the realms, the adjudicators of the successive dispensations of the worlds of time. They preside over the awakening of the sleeping survivors, sit in judgment on the realm, bring to an end a dispensation of suspended justice, execute the mandates of an age of probationary mercy, reassign the space creatures of planetary ministry to the tasks of the new dispensation, and return to the headquarters of their local universe upon the completion of their mission.


When our Creator Son sits in judgment of the realm, what do you consider that judgment to be?


What is a dispensation of suspended justice?


What is suspended justice?


What are the mandates of an age of probationary mercy?


What is probationary mercy?


20:3.2 When they sit in judgment on the destinies of an age, the Avonals decree the fate of the evolutionary races, but though they may render judgments extinguishing the identity of personal creatures, they do not execute such sentences. Verdicts of this nature are executed by none but the authorities of a superuniverse.

What does the phrase "sit in judgment on the destinies of an age" means to you?

What happens when our Creator Son decrees the fate of the evolutionary races? Does this mean complete races are wiped out?

Quite clearly our Creator Son can render judgments that extinguish the identity of personal creatures. If I understand correctly extinguishing identity means that the record of those personal creatures are forever removed from the heavenly tablets?

What is your view of this statement? Have you thought about the number of personal creatures who are forever removed from the heavenly books in any one judgment?

2:5.3 The Creators are the very first to attempt to save man from the disastrous results of his foolish transgression of the divine laws. God’s love is by nature a fatherly affection; therefore does he sometimes “chasten us for our own profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness.” Even during your fiery trials remember that “in all our afflictions he is afflicted with us.”

In what way do you think our Creator Son will chasten us? How will that make us partakers of his holiness?

Do these fiery trials mean the trials of early Christianity, or perhaps the Catholic Inquisition, or perhaps a nuclear holocaust?

If Jesus were to permit a nuclear holocaust how do you think he might feel about afflicting us with such an action?

Since you are familiar with the Bible perhaps you recall that passage that says

Luke 12:49-51 -- "I came to cast fire upon the earth; and would that it were already kindled! I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how I am constrained until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division."

Do you think that this is literal fire? Why would he feel constrained until it is accomplished? Do you understand this baptism to be a baptism of true fire, such as we might experience in a nuclear holocaust? After all, he did not come to bring peace, as so many Urantians and Christians believe.

Compare the parallel passage:

P.1824 - §6 "But if the servant is slothful and begins to say in his heart, `My master delays his coming,' and begins to mistreat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with the drunken, then the lord of that servant will come at a time when he looks not for him and, finding him unfaithful, will cast him out in disgrace. Therefore you do well to prepare yourselves for that day when you will be visited suddenly and in an unexpected manner. Remember, much has been given to you; therefore will much be required of you. Fiery trials are drawing near you. I have a baptism to be baptized with, and I am on watch until this is accomplished. You preach peace on earth, but my mission will not bring peace in the material affairs of men--not for a time, at least. Division can only be the result where two members of a family believe in me and three members reject this gospel. Friends, relatives, and loved ones are destined to be set

against each other by the gospel you preach. True, each of these believers shall have great and lasting peace in his own heart, but peace on earth will not come until all are willing to believe and enter into their glorious inheritance of sonship with God. Nevertheless, go into all the world proclaiming this gospel to all nations, to every man, woman, and child."

Are you prepared for the day when Jesus will come suddenly and in an unexpected manner?

Again we see repetition of the remark: Fiery trials are drawing near you. I have a baptism to be baptized with, and I am on watch until this is accomplished.

Do you think these fiery trials were in the days of the Apostles, or do they refer to our own day?

You can see that peace will not come until ALL are willing to believe and enter into glorious sonship with God.

Given the shape of the world today, what is your estimate when this will come.


------ On 5/21/05, William Whitehead wrote ------

(Amos 2:4-5) This is what the LORD says: "For three sins of Judah, even for four, I will not turn back my wrath. Because they have rejected the law of the LORD and have not kept his decrees, because they have been led astray by false gods, the gods their ancestors followed, I will send fire upon Judah that will consume the fortresses of Jerusalem."

(Isaiah 62:1-2) For Zion's sake I will not keep silent, for Jerusalem's sake I will not remain quiet, till her righteousness shines out like the dawn, her salvation like a blazing torch. The nations will see your righteousness, and all kings your glory; you will be called by a new name that the mouth of the LORD will bestow.

These passages portrait several concepts that are frequently found in the Bible. God will punish the people of Israel when they sin and God will redeem the people of Israel because of the covenant God made with their ancestors. These passages are part of a long tradition that still exists in the minds of many people today concerning the judgment and salvation of the entire world. However, the Urantia Book gives us a much different view, and shows that traditions like these are dead wrong.

The idea that each of us will be punished for our sins while living on this planet is just not true. Jesus said, “All too long have your fathers believed that prosperity was the token of divine approval; that adversity was the proof of God’s displeasure (1830.3).” And also, “The Father causes his rain to fall on the just and the unjust; the sun likewise shines on the righteous and the unrighteous (1830.4).” Divine punishment does not happen while we are living on Urantia. We certainly reap what we sow, but that is entirely a social phenomenon not a celestial one. Ultimate judgment comes when we irrevocably turn ourselves away from God. And judgment will not come quickly; adequate time will always be given for individuals to make their choices (1233.3). The idea that the wrath of God is going to sweep down on top of us in the middle of the night is not correct. We certainly may die in the middle of the night but if we haven’t had enough time to make our eternal choices, more time will be given to us in the next life (1233.4). The final judgment for each of us will not necessarily come during or at the end of this life. What is important is whether we have made the choice for eternal life or eternal death.

The above passages are also incorrect when they say that whole people groups will come under divine judgment. God loves individuals, cares for individuals, and helps individuals. God also brings down judgment upon individuals. In response to the man who talked about the judgment and redemption of Israel Jesus said, “a good and true father not only loves his family as a whole – as a family – but he also truly loves and affectionately cares for each individual member (1597.3).” In the discussion Jesus tries to take his listeners beyond the ancient concept of a wrathful God dealing out punishment upon the nations. The Urantia Book says, “The Adjuster is truly the path to Paradise, but man himself must pursue that path by his own deciding, his freewill choosing (1232.5).” We are given the choice, as distinct individuals. The decisions of our culture, our race, or our ancestors make no difference when concerning our eternal salvation. The idea of people groups being judged from on high should be discarded. It would not be fair for me to be punished for the sins of the nation I happen to live in. Our heavenly Father is eternally fair. It would not be just for my children to suffer for the sins of their parents. Our heavenly Father is ultimately just. And it would not be right for people all around the world to endure terrible world wide tribulation as a result of God’s divine judgment upon collective or cumulative sins. Our heavenly Father is cosmically righteous.

This great message from the Urantia Book is something that our world desperately needs to hear. God allows us to make our choices until we irrevocably face towards heaven or away. God gives us all the time we need to make them. No actions from the people around us or even from the heavenly hosts will be allowed to interfere with our own freewill choosing. We are allowed to stand on our own. Therefore, my friends, cast off the tired and obsolete traditions that have held back the faithful believers of this world and embrace the advanced spiritual concepts of the Ubook. Strive to love God and love people and nothing will stop you from reaching paradise.

God Bless You,

Bill www.simplemansub.info