Caligastia, God Of This World

Steffani and Jeff:

Thank you for your thoughts.

Page 610: Caligastia was recognized by the Son of Man as the technical Prince of Urantia up to near the time of his death. Said Jesus: “Now is the judgment of this world; now shall the prince of this world be cast down.” And then still nearer the completion of his lifework he announced, “The prince of this world is judged.” And it is this same dethroned and discredited Prince who was once termed “God of Urantia.”

I use the term in that sense.

Yes, he is in real competition with his Creator. Michael is giving him that room. And he will bring a great contest to mankind, in order to show those who are for God, and those who are for the Devil.

A very curious aspect of this coming Battle is that the soldiers are all human beings. Both good and bad. The contest will be wrought among men and women.

Message: 71464
From: Steffani Murray
Subject: Steffani and Jeff -- Caligastia
Date: Mon, Jun 6, 2005, 7:04 PM
Topic: Study
Reply to Message 71457

Well Earnest,

I see you actually believe that a whacko lower level administrator gone bad, is actually somehow capable of being a "god"...as in "battle of the Gods" in some kind of real competition with Christ Michael.

Jn.12:31

NOW is the judgment of THIS world: NOW shall the prince of THIS world be cast out.

Jn. 16:11

Of judgment, because the prince of THIS world IS judged.

When in essence Michael was counseled to defeat his claim to the planetary title when he was a mortal, Jesus...like having his one stronger hand tied being his back...you know?

If God's character, or lack thereof as you portray Him, was really the way you think from what you say...Well, the universe would already be hell, and we would be doomed to believe in the same kind of newly evolving concept of God like the primitive 'ghost cultists' had...capricious, vacillating, angry and punishing!

Yes, that is what the Melchizedek receivers had to contend with during those post rebellion years on Urantia...since you ask. The God concept grew into that of a loving Father, from "the savage demon of the Sanai volcano" (guess who?) This was through Machiventa's valiant efforts to teach the people spiritually, and through many more mortal teachers and prophets than those BibliCAL ones which you acknowledge!

Since you like the Bible as much as the UB, try this one found in both ...

P.1731 - §4 Shame on those false religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons doomed to become frightened by every new discovery, while they are discomfited by every new revelation of truth. The prophet who said, "He will be kept in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on God," was not a mere intellectual believer in authoritative theology. This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking about God.

Only Love,

Steffani

 

Message: 71463
From:
Jeff Dickson
Subject: Steffani and Jeff -- Caligastia
Date: Mon, Jun 6, 2005, 6:33 PM
Topic: Study
Reply to
Message 71458

Hi Ernest. You wrote:

Remember this: It is discrimination of things spiritual that determines if you are on God's side, or on the side of the nefarious one.

My comment:

That's a great way to exhalt yourself! I don't mean to get personal, but since my grandmother was a devout christian and I see some similarities I can imagine that she'd hurl out that line just as you have and may do with your own children to avoid anything other than a literal explanation.

My time with her came long before TUB. We talked of little else than the Bible. She put most of her time into it and naturally wasn't affluent in other topics.

Around then it was, "Do you presume to know the mind of God?" and now I know that to be a Luciferian trait. With that in mind I ask you how the question begged by your assertion is any different?

------ On 6/6/05, Jeff Dickson wrote ------

Hi Ernest. Look forward as always. I have never participated or longed to have engaged in any channeling type settings so I don't know what the motives are beyond what other members who have delved into them have said and the impression I get is that they are if nothing else spiritually uplifting. Oh sure there are a few grandstanders, but then what groups don't have them? There's even a few here!

I'd be more willing to accept your perspective since you have closer proximity (your daughter). However, you basically told us you excommunicated her and strongly urged the other members of your family to do the same so I wonder since you shut yourself off and keep to your preconceived notions how attuned you are yourself?

I think these and the one in my last reply are fair questions and perhaps I am intellectualizing God if that was meant for me - I rather see it as using His words (TUB) to prod you into seeing how baseless your conclusions are.

It's a very different story if all the people involved have sinister designs, but that is not how you framed it. So I'm inclined to think by trying to skirt the issue and foisting this updated version on us you are being somewhat of a casuist?

Message: 71458
From: Jeff Dickson
Subject: Steffani and Jeff -- Caligastia
Date: Mon, Jun 6, 2005, 2:55 PM
Topic: Study
Reply to Message 71457

Hi Ernest. Look forward as always. I have never participated or longed to have engaged in any channeling type settings so I don't know what the motives are beyond what other members who have delved into them have said and the impression I get is that they are if nothing else spiritually uplifting. Oh sure there are a few grandstanders, but then what groups don't have them? There's even a few here!

I'd be more willing to accept your perspective since you have closer proximity (your daughter). However, you basically told us you excommunicated her and strongly urged the other members of your family to do the same so I wonder since you shut yourself off and keep to your preconceived notions how attuned you are yourself?

I think these and the one in my last reply are fair questions and perhaps I am intellectualizing God if that was meant for me - I rather see it as using His words (TUB) to prod you into seeing how baseless your conclusions are.

It's a very different story if all the people involved have sinister designs, but that is not how you framed it. So I'm inclined to think by trying to skirt the issue and foisting this updated version on us you are being somewhat of a casuist?